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compact fluorescent bulbs 
minx
posted Jan 30, 2007 1:42:47 PMTo All
I'm slowly changing all the bulbs in my house from incandescent bulbs to flourescent. There are so many different kinds of bulbs. Does anyone have a resource for what type of bulb is best and why? Are there different bulbs for different sites, i.e. the garage, the bathroom, the bedroom?

Also, what about smaller bulbs for stand-alone lights?

And, does anyone else feel this way?: I don't really like the light the flourescent bulbs cast but because it's a better usage all around, I'm doing it...they're so ugly!!! It's a big dilemma...
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compact fluorescent bulbs 
monkey mind
posted Jan 31, 2007 10:15:55 AMTo All

Nothing beats the CFL's (compact fluorescent lamps) for lumens per watt. So in terms of energy efficiency it's the best bet. Other considerations would include LED's. Gaiam sells a 3w led that is perfect for a porch light... esp if you feel compelled to have it on a bunch. It doesn't throw a lot of light... and wouldn't be recommended for space lighting (maybe a focused reading lamp) but is great for the porch because (unlike CFLs) it will run even in very cold and is a third of the wattage of even the smallest CFL's. And it absolutely does the trick of marking the house... In fact, with it's lower output it reduces light pollution. For space lighting, though, nothing beats the CFL's.


As for the light quality... look at the Kelvin "temperature"... this is a color rating. Most CFL's are going to be down around 2700K, this should produce the yellow light that we've grown accustomed to w/ incandescent bulbs. In fact, years ago when I was embarking on the change of one light at a time, I'd test people asking which of the lamps in the living room had the "awful fluorescent" and which had the "normal" bulb. No one could tell! If you find the light disconcerting, you're likely the proud owner of a "natural spectrum" lamp. These guys, with a kelvin of 5000+, produce a white-toward-blue light. Technically speaking, this is better light. It mimics light at noon on a cloudy day. It reduces glare, renders color better etc. These are the best bulbs for reading lamps, desk lamps, work and art stations etc. but they're blue and cold and have the tendency to dig up flashbacks of the worst elementary school experiences. If you experience these symptoms, immediately find yourself a 2700K bulb... often sold as "warm glow" and breathe deeply.


Another hint. Keep those cheap incandescents around too. No need to ever change that closet light or hall light that is only on for a few minutes a week. Change only those bulbs that exceed, say, an hour a week. And START with those that exceed an hour a day!


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compact fluorescent bulbs 
minx
posted Feb 1, 2007 6:10:48 AMTo All
Wow! Thanks monkey mind... I didn't think I would find such a thorough answer...! I'll have to go back to the drawing board on this one in my home and match the lights to my usage. This has been a good learning experience and love your experiment...that is helpful.
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compact fluorescent bulbs 
trudy
posted Mar 24, 2007 1:59:39 AMTo All
The writeup on the Evolution bulbs mentions instant on.  CFs normally take 30 seconds or so to warm up to full intensity, and after you've had cfs around for awhile, this is just not noticeable.  Is there any other difference between Evolution bulbs and the similarly sized cfs now selling for $2 or so i.e. 1/3 to 1/4 the price, in many drugstores?  Does the instant on feature use more energy?
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compact fluorescent bulbs 
mcalpine
posted May 18, 2007 5:12:07 PMTo All
And can anyone anywhere find a screw in flourescent that can be used in a dimming fixture?  I mean, come on ... we can put a man on the moon and yet we can't put metal in a microwave.  Wait a minute ... we can put metal in a microwave now.  So where are the dimable flourescent bulbs?
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compact fluorescent bulbs 
SlickBiggy
posted May 20, 2007 7:29:54 PMTo All
I am fairly certain that they do not exist.  That said, I believe there is now a "3-way" so you can go 50/100/150 depending on needs...
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Burr
posted May 26, 2007 5:49:54 PMTo All
After replacing nearly all the bulbs in my house with them, I found out that CFB's have mercury in them.

I read some online horror stories, so I decided to check it out for myself. (I don't believe everything I read, let alone on the internet.) If you look at the packaging, you'll see a notice that they contain mercury and need to be disposed of in accordance with local, state, and federal laws.

Now, I'm trying to figure out what my other options are. I hear that LCD lights are the way of the future, but I haven't seen them around much.

Thought you'd be interested in what I'd found out.
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compact fluorescent bulbs 
mcalpine
posted May 28, 2007 7:07:02 AMTo SlickBiggy

That's good enough!  Thanks, SB!

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compact fluorescent bulbs 
neosapiens
posted Mar 25, 2008 3:50:38 PMTo All
See BestHomeLEDLighting.com, Amazon.com or CCrane.com for LED lights that have high lumens per watt and no mercury.  Unfortunately, the best stuff is still 2 to 5 times the cost of CFLs, but they are coming down. CCrane.com is coming out soon with a product called the Geobulb which is a bright LED that replaces a 60W incandescent bulb that is more affordable.  I'm pretty happy with the LED lights that I bought from BestHomeLEDLighting.com (they beat CFLs for lumens per watt, but cost about $60 to $90 per bulb).
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compact fluorescent bulbs 
chinchillables
posted Jun 4, 2008 10:47:17 AMTo All



On May 20, 2007 7:29:54 PM SlickBiggy wrote:

I am fairly certain that they do not exist. That said, I believe there is now a "3-way" so you can go 50/100/150 depending on needs...
 one must be careful in the purchase of these. Not all light fixtures can support them and can cause problems if tried.

Edited by: chinchillables on Jun 4, 2008 10:47:31 AM

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compact fluorescent bulbs 
Sunny
posted Jun 10, 2008 5:04:43 PMTo All
I was watching the Channel 24 (NBC) medical segment yesterday and there seems to be some controversy over CFLs being linked to migraines.. The segment was by a neurologist who himself noticed the correlation between his use of CFLs and the recurrence of his migraines.  The segment didn't seem conclusive, and the use of CFLs and their effects on human physiology is being studied at this time.  The other thing that concerns me about CFLs is their mercury content, I have concerns about their safe disposal....
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compact fluorescent bulbs 
GranolaJoe
posted Jun 11, 2008 4:10:15 PMTo All



On Jun 10, 2008 5:04:43 PM Sunny wrote:

I was watching the Channel 24 (NBC) medical segment yesterday and there seems to be some controversy over CFLs being linked to migraines.. The segment was by a neurologist who himself noticed the correlation between his use of CFLs and the recurrence of his migraines. The segment didn't seem conclusive, and the use of CFLs and their effects on human physiology is being studied at this time. The other thing that concerns me about CFLs is their mercury content, I have concerns about their safe disposal....

Sigh. The mercury controversy strikes again.

I'm reposting info I collected a while back on this topic:




I always turn to Snopes, a website with a group of journalists that investigate urban legends. Here's what they had to say on this topic:

Claim: When broken, energy-saving light bulbs (CFLs) loose dangerous amounts of mercury into a home.

Status: Multiple:


  • CFLs contain mercury, a dangerous substance: True.


  • While mercury stays safely contained in intact CFLs, it escapes from broken CFLs into the immediate surroundings: True.


  • The amount of mercury contained in one CFL bulb poses a grave danger to a home's inhabitants: False.


  • An environmental clean-up crew needs be called in to deal with the mercury dispersed by one broken CFL bulb: False.


Here's a bit more information about the benefits of CFL bulbs and the hazards associated with them:

Shedding Light on Energy-Saving Bulb Options

Why switch to compact fluorescents? Watch this.


NPR: CFL Bulbs Have One Hitch: Toxic Mercury



Ask TreeHugger: Is Mercury from a Broken CFL Dangerous?


Mercury Fears in CFL Bulbs Overblown?



Lamp Recycling Info

EPA Fact Sheet on Mercury in CFLs


"We abuse land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect." -Aldo Leopold
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Sunny
posted Jun 11, 2008 11:00:03 PMTo All

I've just recently had reason to visit the forums here, so I haven't been reading earlier posts on the subject of CFLs, mainly as I work full time, and don't have much time to be online.  (I'm off work for a week, before I return to my 53hr. per wk. job)   The mercury in CFLs (whether their mercury content is or isn't negligible, or poses a hazard) wasn't the only reason why I won't buy them; it was a combination of that possibility coupled with the segment on CFLs and migraines, that caused me to decide to wait on purchasing them; LEDs are a viable option until further studies are done on the health issues.  I'm a reasonably patient person, and prefer to wait til the results of studies are in, before getting more of these bulbs.

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GranolaJoe
posted Jun 12, 2008 8:24:13 AMTo All



On Jun 11, 2008 11:00:03 PM Sunny wrote:

I've just recently had reason to visit the forums here, so I haven't been reading earlier posts on the subject of CFLs, mainly as I work full time, and don't have much time to be online. (I'm off work for a week, before I return to my 53hr. per wk. job) The mercury in CFLs (whether their mercury content is or isn't negligible, or poses a hazard) wasn't the only reason why I won't buy them; it was a combination of that possibility coupled with the segment on CFLs and migraines, that caused me to decide to wait on purchasing them; LEDs are a viable option until further studies are done on the health issues. I'm a reasonably patient person, and prefer to wait til the results of studies are in, before getting more of these bulbs.



I wasn't implying that you needed to read other threads - the reason I said that I was reposting information was a disclaimer to let you know that you might stumble across the same post on another thread. It was merely to state that I was copying myself, essentially.

If you can buy LED bulbs, I'd say go for them over CFLs. LEDs are the future of lighting.

However, you said that the segment was inconclusive, and that should be an indication that perhaps the connection between CFLs and migraines could be speculation, as much as it could possibly be true.

In my experience, CFLs are as safe as any other light bulb. I've been using them since 2001 without any negative effects on my health. As far as I know, at least.
"We abuse land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect." -Aldo Leopold
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compact fluorescent bulbs 
Sunny
posted Jun 12, 2008 9:04:30 AMTo All

I wasn't implying that you needed to read other threads - the reason I said that I was reposting information was a disclaimer to let you know that you might stumble across the same post on another thread. It was merely to state that I was copying myself, essentially.

If you can buy LED bulbs, I'd say go for them over CFLs. LEDs are the future of lighting.If you can buy LED bulbs, I'd say go for them over CFLs. LEDs are the future of lighting.,


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Not a problem, Granola Joe; (re: first sentence of yr. post), and thank you for your courtesy, regarding the repeated information.


Regarding the actual lighting, am comparison shopping this weekend, as LEDs are somewhat pricey....(in the short run.)

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compact fluorescent bulbs 
Denise
posted Oct 1, 2008 1:41:33 PMTo All

Tree Hugger  website has good info on this subject. The CFL's are greener in that there are less carbon emmissions in their production and their usage rate is about 13 to 1. Safe disposal is an issue.  Carbon being the single greatest threat to our health. 


In my opinion our biggest challenge, besides carbon emissons, is ridding ourselves of the petrochemical influences in our world. We talk of oil dependence in relation to transportation but in reality soooooo many of the things in our world are petrochemical in nature. I'd venture a guess that the increased cancer rate could be directly linked to petrochemical products. I can remember the advent of Tupperware in the fifties. I think on many levels  that things started going down hill from there.  Processed foods, making things quick and easy.  It's heartening to see the tide turning back to a healthier world. Having these conversations  is an example .


Good stuff  !!

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